S/F when dealing with WT doctrine you have to look at it from different angles. There's the WT view of a particular situation and then there's the reality. When they talk about how pedophiles lure children, pornography, or misleading blogs and websites, these are all fear tactics used to get you to forget about the wealth of information the internet has. If they keep you from getting on the racetrack by talking about all the accidents that Nascar racers have experienced then you will never race and therefore never win a race. The very idea that anybody who has left the dubs is some disgruntled person looking to take some dubs down with them is absolute bulls--t. If you and I were both dubs and while we were in we did things like play pool or bowl, or come to each others barbeques, then I leave, the JW view is that from this point on I'm a tool of Satan and will only led you out of the truth if you continue to hang with me. The reality is: your faith is really weak if something I do leads you out. The ol' boys up in Brooklyn know this. Person A hanging around person B doesn't mean that person A will adopt person B's behavior. My aunt's eating habits are different from mine. I'm not a healthy eater and she is not a junkfood king. She wears dresses, I do not. What I wear doesn't affect her clothing choices anymore than hers affects my clothing choices. It is groupthink mentality. Oftentimes they don't say irrefutably that something WILL happen when it comes to our entertainment and social adventures. They say what "may" happen, or "it's possible that...." This is for a reason. It's not claiming undeniably yet at the same time it's not negating it's possiblity. "You WILL go to a party and be lured into drug abuse, alcohol abuse and even fornication...." is different from "You MAY go to a party and be lured into...." yet your mind still pictures it happening because of the negative, myopic and bad catagory words that follow "drug abuse (bad) alcohol abuse (bad) fornication (bad)" You would have an even greater chance of going to a party, having a nice time socializing and coming home than you would being lured into drugs, alcohol and sex. Or maybe dubs wouldn't because they're so susceptible to powers of suggestion that any wind will blow them away. After all, it was a wind that blew them in the truth so why couldn't that same wind blow them out? The ancients up in Brooklyn know this as well. So anything that they tell you about what could happen, what jerkovah wants and doesn't want, what Satan wants is all, at it's core, just a way to protect their investment. And I got news for you S/F: You are NOT their investment. This isn't about protecting YOU. It's about protecting THEM, their lifestyle of using YOU. Because as long as there's a dub who does what they tell them to under the guise of being spirit directed, as long as there's a dub who doesn't think critically about what he/she is supposedly learning, as long as there's a dub who denies this critical thought and refuses to question because of some deity who is SUPPOSEDLY walking about like a roaring lion seeking to devour someone, then their publishing company, the lifestyles of the upper epsilon are safe. What kind of battery are you?
Vachi 8 He Is
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JWs Not Allowed to Post on Websites?
by StandFirm inthis seems to be a favorite topic to bring up to any witnesses who post on any website where there are any opposers, either here or topix or anywhere.. so, here is the one and only place i will be discussing it.
who can prove that witnesses are specifically told not to post on websites about them?.
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Interesting convo that never was meant to be.....
by Vachi 8 He Is inso, i'm being shanghied into going to this "special talk" dubs got going on tommorow.
and while riding in the car i ask, simply:.
"i'm not saying that's the only stance, i'm saying that this is something that they tell people over and over.".
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Vachi 8 He Is
I managed to have an out of body experience by sitting on the end of the seats by the wall and putting one ear bud in the ear she couldn't see so I could listen to my iPod. Disfellowshipping came up in the WT study regurgitation and it was like "We shun ones who have strayed from the truth in hopes that they will recognize their error and come back. This may hurt us in doing so but remembering how jehovah feels will give us strength. Until they come back.....they may as well BE DEAD TO US." This was an actual comment made. Well hell, why stop there? You like okra, I don't and even though I'm not trying to get you to eat it, until I come around to eating it, it's grounds for shunning me. If I drink Nos and you drink Monster, same thing, shun me. Magellan vs. Garmin. Oreos vs. Lance. My wife vs. your wife. Marvel vs. Capcom.......pure segregation at it's best all brought to us by the loving deity who wants us all to get to this paradise, live forever, and pet animals with Me, Myself and Irene grins on our faces. F--k that s--t.
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Interesting convo that never was meant to be.....
by Vachi 8 He Is inso, i'm being shanghied into going to this "special talk" dubs got going on tommorow.
and while riding in the car i ask, simply:.
"i'm not saying that's the only stance, i'm saying that this is something that they tell people over and over.".
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Yeah, I mean the high point of the CON-vention is the drama......really? Really? REALLY? These aren't even actors, they're lip syncing to a audio tape. You just sit there and watch them flail their arms about like Power Rangers. I remembered looking forward to visiting one of the outside stands to get a pair of those flip-up binoculars so I could see and one of those mini battery operated fans as if that could help keep me cool from the heat blanketed over the open air Veterans Stadium.
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Interesting convo that never was meant to be.....
by Vachi 8 He Is inso, i'm being shanghied into going to this "special talk" dubs got going on tommorow.
and while riding in the car i ask, simply:.
"i'm not saying that's the only stance, i'm saying that this is something that they tell people over and over.".
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Vachi 8 He Is
So, I'm being shanghied into going to this "Special Talk" dubs got going on tommorow. And while riding in the car I ask, simply:
"What is the special talk about?"
"It says: Bible principles- Can they help us cope with today's problems?"
Then I ask "Isn't that their stance anyway? That if we just follow the bible people's problems will go away?"
"Well that's just one of many. If people would just follow the bible......"
(At this point I can see the train being derailed because nowhere in that question was I making the point that this was the only stance. Red Herring and Strawman much?)
"I'm not saying that's the only stance, I'm saying that this is something that they tell people over and over."
(Basically trying to get her to see that her lil special talk, the one that I have to be dragged off to, is NOT special at all. You can't sell something for $49.99, 364 days of the year and then on the 365th sell it for $49.99 and call it a special. But I digress, back to the convo. I must have dealt some kind of personal blow because she, right on schedule launches into....)
"You always talkin' 'bout nothing. You need to worry about (some personal problems I'm having).........."(Ad Hominem)
I'm sitting there like WTF? No really............WTF? How did we get here from there? She should have just said "Yes, that is a frequent stance we have." But wow, such fury all because to admit to herself that the special talk is just more of the same would friggin' break her brain? The WTB(S)TS says it's special and dammit, that's just how it is, even though we beat people over the head and spinkle this same message, along with several other ones throughout the year. She doesn't just do this with dub topics either. I can't talk to her because somehow, someway she always steers whatever convo I have with her into personal attacks on me. I mean, I could be talking about Toyota or something and I wish I was lying, but since I'm in a bad way right now (which incidently they helped create) I think she feels that I have no say even when she's dead ass wrong. So when I challenge her belief about something, anything, she can't win the arguement unless she goes down "really old, really fast avenue". And even in this case, we were on the same page when she said "That's just one of many". So the personal attack was not because we didn't agree on this being their stance, no. We got into it because I questioned the validity of this being a special talk?
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Where is the website where..........?
by Vachi 8 He Is ini remember a website (teal background, simple set-up) that had an illustration of what you can expect when a dub visits you, as well as a number of informational things that the society would freak out about if they discovered dubs or people in general reading it.
if it was freeminds, it doesn't have the same layout, so i'm not sure if it was that.
does anyone know what webpage i'm talking about?
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I remember a website (teal background, simple set-up) that had an illustration of what you can expect when a dub visits you, as well as a number of informational things that the society would freak out about if they discovered dubs or people in general reading it. If it was Freeminds, it doesn't have the same layout, so I'm not sure if it was that. Does anyone know what webpage I'm talking about?
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Why we grow old and die
by ballistic in"why we grow old and die"... i remember seeing this article quite a lot, but maybe you could tell me if it still comes around?.
anyhow, i was watching a tv programme the other day about nature following the second law of thermodynamics and i realised that everything around us breaks down, everything wears, things that move generate friction, the tendancy for particles is to fall apart and "entropy" to increase, just as the universe itself will one day have no structure left as such, just randomness of elementary particles floating about and darkness.. .
really, the question implies a bogus argument.
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Vachi 8 He Is
Living forever would suck, I would sooner not be any living thing on this Earth or other planets and be done with it.
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The big bad "worldly" person
by roxanesophia inconsidering this looks to be mostly a ex-jw site, you're probably thinking "coming into it?
run.
" but i have friends in it who have persuaded me to have a bible study and attend meetings, and well, hey... it isn't doing me much harm.
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Hell with that! Hop in the DeLorean and punch it to 88. A truly loving god would not care who you associated with because assuming the bible is correct he created all things. Good, bad, cold, heat, up, down, left, right, B, A, select, start......everything. He wouldn't label you. In the world of absolutes there is no right and wrong, there is only IS. All this about what religion is right....god could care less as evidenced by his not getting involved. I'm a witness....a Jevachi's Witness. Nothing is true, EVERYTHING is permitted.
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Why not fire the god who bears a grudge and hire a better one?
by Terry inthis is a competitive universe.
well, here on earth, anyway.... none of us has to settle for less than the very best unless we are cheap.. why hire a cheap god when you can get a better one?.
what the heck am i talking about?.
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I'm on it! *clears throat*
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Mr. Falcon Asks......What's so bad about boxing?
by Mr. Falcon ini love boxing.
it kicks arse all over the place.
although it has lost some of it's prior glory and has waaaay too many classes that are televised and billed as "main events", it's still better than mma (sorry to any mma fans; i actually don't mind ufc, i'm just saying that i prefer traditional boxing).. anywho, what is the deal with jws hating on boxing?
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Vachi 8 He Is
I beat Tyson..........with a game genie, but I digress. For that matter you may as well ask what's so bad about using ones natural ability and imagine little blue people living in harmony no less aside from the occasional visit from some guy and his cat? What's so bad about using that same imagination and creating a story where machines transform into mans image? What was so bad about breakdancing? (My uncle got on my case about that one at a dub gathering no less where other dubs were doing it as well. We all got a stern talking to) What's so bad about Earth, Wind & Fire? What's so bad about video games? What's so bad about going to a worldy party? This ain't the 1980's where kids BEG you to try their drugs. If I got some weed and you don't want it, trust and believe, I could care less. More for me anyway. What's so bad about Thriller? Clearly, the video is about saving the cheerleader, saving the world. Wait that's Heroes. They're in a movie theater and some wolfman movie is on. It's Mike of course but not the "same" Mike as the one watching the film. That one is just supposed to be a regular guy with his girlfriend who BTW is kirkin' out. The go outside and Mike zombifies and does some bad ass dance moves. So what's the problem? Zombies? The dead walking? Dubs should freekin' feel right at home with how people shuffle in and out of meetings/conventions and the ressurection horseshit. Really, are we gonna be able to use our imaginations at all in this poo system of things?
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HOW DO YOU DO IT?
by clarity ini knew this was going to happen ... i was at a gathering the other night and sure enough!
number reinstated - 0.33%.
reinstated??
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Vachi 8 He Is
Who really HAS to die at the big scary A? As long as jerkovah gets rid of Satan, his demons, the wicked ones who flip the bird to god and could give a rats s**t stain about his paradise, sin and death, then all that would remain is dubs and potential dubs. He could bring Armegeddon right now and ultimately save MORE lives than he would by waiting. What would be the difference between now and whenever he's supposedly gonna do it? I say there is enough dubs on the Earth that could populate it/subdue it. And there'd be enough of this myopic view so we could totally look like the blokes all hopped on anti-depressants on their crapazines.